
The topic somehow turned to what constitutes an advanced civilization. She insisted that advanced civilizations were clean and orderly, had a good police force that served and answered to its citizens and citizens were allowed to participate in the governing process without disturbing the peace. I strongly disagreed and posited that real civility embraces messy differences instead of brutally forcing a fake sense of clean homogeneity. Whether or not a nation is democratic makes no difference- unless citizens' differences are acknowledged and accepted, the clean and orderly streets of that civilization are merely a facade masking injustice and intolerance.

How to reconcile? I have no idea...
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